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Redesigned HMS Vanguard: Draws 33 feet.
All members of USN South Dakota Class [drawing thirty EIGHT feet]: "Hold our heavy bunker oil!"
Why didn't the British just ditch those useless, heavy turrets and 5.25 inch secondary guns? With the weight savings, they could have installed a 42 inch anti-torpedo belt, 30 inch deck armor, 500 antiaircraft guns, larger turbines, and more storage. That would have enabled the flagship to ignore all those pesky subs and planes so the admiral could get within sight of the coastline, shake his fist at those damned (insert enemy here), and broadcast across lighted billboards the Queen's displeasure. After all, it's the propaganda, not big guns, that win wars.
Carry on…….
I once toured HMS Belfast with a 1st-class mechanical engineer. When we toured the engine room, he was amazed at the quality of the tooling, in the "gear box"; he described it as, "pristine (good for another 500,000 miles!). I imagine HMS Vanguard was similar – hardly used; the Americans mothballed the Iowa and Wisconsin, only to have them play a part in the 1990s – pragmatic; imagine, Vanguard, rocking-up off East Falkland in 1982 or Beirut (with the Wisconsin) in 83/84 or Gulf War 1 – "Hello, guess who's here?"!
A tragic loss not to have saved a battleship for a museum piece 😢
I love ships and warships too.
Special thanks though as this episode cured my insomnia!
What a bloody shame and a waste , if she was the last of her type she should have been kept , but then its all down to money as it was the main factor spent building her then they just go an put a pen through her, such facelessness .
Such a shame that the Brits didn’t want to keep a big gun Battleship in their fleet. We could have had Vanguard vs Belgrano in the Falklands war.
Imagine the phone call the pub landlord would have had to make to his insurance company:
Insurance: please explain how your pub was destroyed sir?
Landlord: well… it was run over by a loose battleship
You will probably reduce me to atoms but it kinda looks like the Hood and Bismarck mixed together
As they say, armor less than 3 inches thick only serves to explode shells that likely would have passed through relatively harmlessly.
Vanguard in Vancouver at 20:40?
If the RN had kept her like the USN kept their battleships she could have had a last hurrah 1982, I think Argentine bombs and missiles would have bounced off like cricket balls, and with that much fire support many of the paras who died at Goose Green would have come back alive.
well there was really no need to preserve her ..
her hull was beautiful but she did not do anything in her active years ..
ther was nothing significant or glorious during her lifetime ..
scrapping was the right thing to do ..
In hindsight a couple of Fleet Carriers in lieu of would have been useful
She is one bad ass for her time ..
Beautiful ship, but she was definitely a waste of scarce resources. Given that far the most important role of battleships in WW2 was shore bombardment, they should have just put those surplus heavy guns onto ultracheap monitors (converted cargo ships really) and put the massive resources needed to build her into more landing ships and carriers.
25:11 what ship is that with the 4 gun turret? That's sexy as heck
As always, great history and commentary. I was a radarman aboard a destroyer escort in the USN in Viet Nam in 71 and 72. Loved the sea. Crazy, as I would do it again. Been aboard Alabama. She is also a magnificent CAPITAL ship with a great history. I am also amazed at the lethality of the new "CAPITAL" ships. Amazing. Hope we never need to use them in anger.
Keep it up and thanks again.
Drach do you think that she would have been better off with four three gun turrets then the two gun. To me she seems under armed in both number of guns and caliber compared to her contemporary's.
Its bloody ridiculous they should of put hell of a lot bigger guns on this battleship the bloody size of it makes the existing guns look like it tiny cruiser ship guns…..what were they thinking
Past her time when finally completed but what a beautiful vessel.
3 years in the building ,never fired a shot in anger and 2 plus years to cut her up she didn't live very long ,what a waste
I notice that the plans shown @ 2.51 appear to be in Russian. Was this because we decided to present the design to the Soviet Union as with the Rolls Royce jet engine of the time ? I imagine it is sometimes easier just to go to the Russian archives to get details of our most advanced weaponery .
I know aesthetics aren't a primary concern but the guns look so small and incongruous compared to US and Japanese battleships.
Scrapping Warspite was bad enough. But getting rid of Vanguard? Truly, a naval and historical heresy.
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American fire control, antique guns, WW2 theory-proofing and radar galore. A special and beloved ship indeed.
The video neglects to mention the brief comeback of old battle wagons during the prime ministry of Margret Thatcher.
This is a pinnacle of battleship design…
Political incompetence not to have mothballed Vanguard,or a KG5, would have looked very impressive in London, much more so than Belfast. But that’s all we got left folks.
But who wins in 1946 configuration? Vanguard or Iowa?
I've just started viewing your shows and they are great – thank you! May i suggest some of the smaller US Navy ships from WWII like the LST, attack transport, Liberty ship, YMS, AM, PC, PCE, LCI, LCI gunships, LSM, LSM(R) and LCT. It has always amazed me how those were built and crewed in the thousands and don't get the recognition they deserve. Also support ships like floating dry docks, destroyer, submarine, seaplane (my dad served on the USS Pine Island during the Korean war) and PT tenders, and specialized ships. Not many of these last few but still proved vitally important to have in anchorages on islands as they were captured and fronts moved forward. Thanks and keep up the good work!
25:31 I believe Sir Frederick Parham wasn’t the First Sea Lord, he was actually the Fourth Sea Lord but that was from only 1954–1955. The First Sea Lord was Sir Caspar John at the time of Vanguard’s decommissioning and her scrapping.
Bofors: Nothing says get away from me better!
Britain really, really needed the Vanguard when fighting the war in the Falklands… And even in a 1950's mothballed or museum condition her guns and presence there would have not only commanded respect from any enemy but would have also proved Britain's armed forces with greater, capability, endurance and ultimately saved lives on both sides of the conflict. Very short sighted to scrap her and I'm sure a public appeal would have saved her.
I never understood why the Royal Navy went forward with this ship. As WWII experience demonstrated such ships were too big, too expensive, and too vulnerable. This video does quite satisfatoraly explain why these ships were completed.
Overall a classic case. Of building the ship needed in 1939, after the need was well passed. Oh well! Sometimes things just turn out that way.😎
Its sacrilege, we allowed our history to be destroyed she should never have been scrapped
why does the blue print have a russian title?
Great summary of a fine ship. More than a little Iowa class in her design. I think it is important to name the yard in which each ship was constructed. Without the efforts of these men (John Brown, Clydebank in this case) there would be no navy to talk about.